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cannonfodder · Jun 10, 2005, 10:10 AM // 10:10

Yep my new Pc has a 3700 San diego core on a Dfi lanparty sli mobo, and the htt(fsb to normal people) can go upto a staggering 425mhz, but no ddr could ever do that.......mine is very stable with an fsb of 300mhz, but my memory aint

Edit - the asus a8n, comes with excellent onboard sound and gigabit ethernet, so you would need no add-ons, plus its a bit cheaper than the dfi

Dirkiess · Jun 10, 2005, 11:28 AM // 11:28

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Originally Posted by cannonfodder

Yep my new Pc has a 3700 San diego core on a Dfi lanparty sli mobo, and the htt(fsb to normal people) can go upto a staggering 425mhz, but no ddr could ever do that.......mine is very stable with an fsb of 300mhz, but my memory aint

Edit - the asus a8n, comes with excellent onboard sound and gigabit ethernet, so you would need no add-ons, plus its a bit cheaper than the dfi

If sound on the Asus is anything like my Asus A7N8X Deluxe, it's more than perfect and the LAN I have on there too, is excellent too. Never had any problems with it so far.

I thought the HTT meant it went up to something along the lines of 1000mhz, or have I read that wrong in the reviews and it's some sort of doubling feature? I haven't bothered looking into AMD 64 yet, as I have no need for it. Well, at the moment.

Seron · Jun 12, 2005, 05:51 AM // 05:51

if i bought 2 150g hardrives and put them into raid 0 (if it's even possible without more additions)
will they run at a combined 14400 rpm, so i'd have a 300g hard drive running at 14400 rpm (better than the 10000 rpgm new series hard drives)?

and if i can do that with my motherboard, how do i do it, lol

i heard raid 0 combines them like that and allows them to go at 2x the speed.

Bezerker · Jun 12, 2005, 06:48 PM // 18:48

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Originally Posted by Principa Discordia

AlienWare is nothing but a status symbol. Someone who puts status symbols before practicality should be shot in my eyes for being so ignorant.

WRONG Alien Ware is one of the best gaming pc's around the globe, this which has been tested and written down in magazines tons of times.

MadeInChina · Jun 12, 2005, 07:12 PM // 19:12

Eh, I have an Alienware and I did not buy it for being a "status symbol." I could care less what the case looked like but I chose it for its performance, and I preferred the Alienware cooling system which would almost always prevent my computer from overheating. I have bought separate parts before from newegg and compiled my own computer to create the cheapest, while efficient, computer I could. It was an alright computer, but the heat killed my room and the video card ending up burning. Overall, I believe buying a pre-built computer is always better and tends to work a lot better (UNLESS you are one of the computer geniuses that build computers for a hobby).

Anyways, I've had this computer for more than 4 years and it still works better than most of the computers I've seen.

Principa Discordia · Jun 12, 2005, 07:17 PM // 19:17

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Originally Posted by Bezerker

WRONG Alien Ware is one of the best gaming pc's around the globe, this which has been tested and written down in magazines tons of times.

Your appeal to authority fallacies aside, anyone can build a PC just as good as (if not better than) an AlienWare machine, and probably for less cost. That's a solid fact. Oh well, if this thread is going to get fanboyish count me out.

Bezerker · Jun 12, 2005, 10:21 PM // 22:21

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Originally Posted by Principa Discordia

Your appeal to authority fallacies aside, anyone can build a PC just as good as (if not better than) an AlienWare machine, and probably for less cost. That's a solid fact. Oh well, if this thread is going to get fanboyish count me out.

True, you can build a better machine for less money then a Alien Ware pc, you buy Alien Ware for its looks, but to say Alien Ware is a waste of money....hell no.

ElRey · Jun 12, 2005, 10:27 PM // 22:27

It is.... Example: Im getting this comp for 754 bucks
AMD Athlon64 3400+
1 GB RAM
160GB Harddrive
Nvidia GeForce 6800 128mb AGP
DVD Burner
And it runs at 80F in idle, 120F under full load, and thats because of the 5 fans it came with the case and the 2 heatsinks

At alienware, this comp costs 1072 bucks
AMD Athlon64 3200+
1GB RAM
NEC 3250A dvd burner (same one as in my other comp)
ATI Radeon 9550SE 128mb

See my point ?

Seron · Jun 12, 2005, 10:37 PM // 22:37

here's what i'm getting now:

amd athlon 4000+ san diago core
asus a8n delux SLI
xblade atx black/silver custom midtower.
skyhawk/eagleteck 620w supply
2x seagate barricuda 120g SATA150 hard drives which will run in raid 0 format (if anyone here will help me with that)
xp proffesional
ATI x800xl video card.

this whole system is going to cost me around $1400

i checked it out on alienware, and those thiefs want to charge $2500 for it.

ElRey · Jun 12, 2005, 11:59 PM // 23:59

How much RAM are you getting and make sure you are Getting a DVD burner as CD Burners are fading out and DVD burners have CD burning capabilities if you get a combo drive.

Seron · Jun 13, 2005, 12:27 AM // 00:27

ah yes, 2-2-2-5 latency corsair 1gb ram.

and of course a dvd+-rw

also: i saw the intel dual core 830 series, which would be better for gaming and everything else, the dual core 3.0ghz intel or amd's single core 4000+?

MadeInChina · Jun 13, 2005, 03:12 AM // 03:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElRey

It is.... Example: Im getting this comp for 754 bucks
AMD Athlon64 3400+
1 GB RAM
160GB Harddrive
Nvidia GeForce 6800 128mb AGP
DVD Burner
And it runs at 80F in idle, 120F under full load, and thats because of the 5 fans it came with the case and the 2 heatsinks

At alienware, this comp costs 1072 bucks
AMD Athlon64 3200+
1GB RAM
NEC 3250A dvd burner (same one as in my other comp)
ATI Radeon 9550SE 128mb

See my point ?

I didn't even know Alienware sold computers at 1072 bucks..

Anyways, you are also excluding some other factors of the Alienware computer. Clearly the case adds a lot to the cost and the other internal materials that your computer will not have. I must say that the Alienware cooling system is more than just a bunch of fans that you can buy. I still believe that all of us are biased in our own ways and have different arguments for each side.

theclam · Jun 13, 2005, 04:18 AM // 04:18

Seron, there's no point in going SLI unless you're getting an nVidia card.

Alienware may be massively overpriced, but they don't just throw off-the-shelf parts in and send it to you. They place the drives, cards, cords, fans, and other parts inside the case in a way that guarantees maximum cooling efficiency. You also get a good warranty, which is not something that I get when I build a box myself.

Sure, I'd never buy from them unless I won the lottery, but they are still a good manufacturer.

MadeInChina · Jun 13, 2005, 04:55 AM // 04:55

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Originally Posted by theclam

Seron, there's no point in going SLI unless you're getting an nVidia card.

Alienware may be massively overpriced, but they don't just throw off-the-shelf parts in and send it to you. They place the drives, cards, cords, fans, and other parts inside the case in a way that guarantees maximum cooling efficiency. You also get a good warranty, which is not something that I get when I build a box myself.

Sure, I'd never buy from them unless I won the lottery, but they are still a good manufacturer.

Ah yes...I forgot about the warranty =). I actually did win the lottery and that's why I have one =D.

Well no I didn't, my g-ma just has tons of money.

Lews · Jun 13, 2005, 06:30 AM // 06:30

If you are buying a really, really nice computer--> do not buy alienware!

Voodoo Pc and Falcon NW have both gotten better reviews, and they look better, in various magazines. Thats if you put your stock in reviewers.

I'd build my own, but if you want to buy the best possible, get a Voodoo or Falcon. Read aliewnares re-seller ratings, they have horrible customer service

Seron · Jun 13, 2005, 09:24 AM // 09:24

i've decided to change the processor, it's now going to be:
amd athlon x2 dual core 4400
which is $120-$130 more than the amd athlon 64 4000+
according to the amd website, this processor SHOULD increase speed by 80% compared to the 4000+ model.

unfortunatly no one has it in stock, and it is going to be shipped in 3 days they say.

Dirkiess · Jun 13, 2005, 09:34 AM // 09:34

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Originally Posted by Seron

i've decided to change the processor, it's now going to be:
amd athlon x2 dual core 4400
which is $120-$130 more than the amd athlon 64 4000+
according to the amd website, this processor SHOULD increase speed by 80% compared to the 4000+ model.

unfortunatly no one has it in stock, and it is going to be shipped in 3 days they say.

WHat do you intend to do with this PC? You need to ask yourself this, before going through any advice anyone can give you, as it all depends on what you want to do with it, which determines in the end what is best for you to buy?

Seron · Jun 13, 2005, 09:44 AM // 09:44

want it for ultimate gaming for now and the future, i don't want to have to buy new parts/upgrades for at least 3 years heh.

Vorkronor · Jun 13, 2005, 09:59 AM // 09:59

While the dual core CPU might server you well for the next 3 years, the GPU will not IMO.
Look at what CPUs were around 3 years ago and compare that to the GPUs, that were around at that time.

Got it?

So don't expect to play top notch games in 3 years with today's best GPU.

P.S.: Consider the PPU (physics processing unit) an addition when it comes out

Seron · Jun 13, 2005, 10:21 AM // 10:21

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Originally Posted by Vorkronor

While the dual core CPU might server you well for the next 3 years, the GPU will not IMO.
Look at what CPUs were around 3 years ago and compare that to the GPUs, that were around at that time.

Got it?

So don't expect to play top notch games in 3 years with today's best GPU.

P.S.: Consider the PPU (physics processing unit) an addition when it comes out

well consider i'm using a 8 year old 433 mhz celeron computer right now, that really has had no problems other than virus/spyware on it, i'd say some computers, if properly kept, will be able to play future games, this computer can play just about all games (except really high end ones like guild wars of course) and this isn't even a gaming pc, it's a celeron, basically meant for e-mail and browsing. I still can't believe i had to pay $800-900 for this thing when it was newm, lol.